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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.smallkitchengarden.net/small-kitchen-garden/the-vine-ripened-tomato-lie/comment-page-1#comment-433</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthony: Thank you for visiting and sharing your perspective. But, wow! Why such an unpleasant tone? I&#039;m encouraging people to think beyond the conventional and learn something for themselves. I encourage you to read all the comments associated with this blog post: I really don&#039;t want people to believe something just cuz I said it, I encourage people to try and decide whether my approach is appropriate for them. I&#039;m confident when I say that in a side-by-side taste test, vine-ripened and shelf-ripened tomatoes of the same variety are virtually indistinguishable in flavor and texture. If it pleases you to insist I&#039;m wrong without testing this for yourself, by all means, feel free. If you like to experiment and learn new things, please try some shelf ripening and do your own comparisons.

Bananas and pineapples? Around here, the only bananas and pineapples available at any time of year were picked green and shipped. Most need to sit on the counter for three to five days before they&#039;re ready to eat. Are they as good as bananas and pineapples ripened on the plants and then harvested? I can&#039;t say; I&#039;ve never picked bananas or pineapples ripe. Given the chance, I would love to make a comparison so I can speak authoritatively on the differences. Until I make those comparisons, I&#039;ll try to remain civil when I express my opinions about the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony: Thank you for visiting and sharing your perspective. But, wow! Why such an unpleasant tone? I&#8217;m encouraging people to think beyond the conventional and learn something for themselves. I encourage you to read all the comments associated with this blog post: I really don&#8217;t want people to believe something just cuz I said it, I encourage people to try and decide whether my approach is appropriate for them. I&#8217;m confident when I say that in a side-by-side taste test, vine-ripened and shelf-ripened tomatoes of the same variety are virtually indistinguishable in flavor and texture. If it pleases you to insist I&#8217;m wrong without testing this for yourself, by all means, feel free. If you like to experiment and learn new things, please try some shelf ripening and do your own comparisons.</p>
<p>Bananas and pineapples? Around here, the only bananas and pineapples available at any time of year were picked green and shipped. Most need to sit on the counter for three to five days before they&#8217;re ready to eat. Are they as good as bananas and pineapples ripened on the plants and then harvested? I can&#8217;t say; I&#8217;ve never picked bananas or pineapples ripe. Given the chance, I would love to make a comparison so I can speak authoritatively on the differences. Until I make those comparisons, I&#8217;ll try to remain civil when I express my opinions about the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you don&#039;t vine ripen and your tomatoes look prettier.  SO WHAT.  The taste difference is phenomonal and if you can&#039;t taste it the problem is with your taste buds not the tomatoes.  Next you would have us believe shelf ripened bananas and pineapples are good too.  And don&#039;t forget oranges and grapefruits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you don&#8217;t vine ripen and your tomatoes look prettier.  SO WHAT.  The taste difference is phenomonal and if you can&#8217;t taste it the problem is with your taste buds not the tomatoes.  Next you would have us believe shelf ripened bananas and pineapples are good too.  And don&#8217;t forget oranges and grapefruits.</p>
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		<title>By: Heirloom Maters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heirloom Maters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi! 

We have had late ripening on the vine but plants have pumped out so many we&#039;ve been giving them away by the box, bag, 1/2 bushel, and bushel. I am beginning to look on late blight as a friend since I am kinda sorta sick of the smell of cooking/canning tomatoes! ;-) 

Our plants are about 95% heirloom varieties, though, which I find has helped them. Yes, I know there is a school of thought that says the hybrids are more vigorous, disease-resistant and dependable than the heirlooms, but in nearly 20 years of growing tomatoes, I have to say I have found that to be another tomato myth. Don&#039;t get me wrong -- there are some good hybrids (Sungold leaps to mind!!), but overall in our experience, the majority of our heirloom choices have out-germinated, out-grown, out-produced, and out-survived disease, adverse weather conditions, something I&#039;ve found to be true gardening in two different zones, first Zone 7 and now 5b.

The success rate for picking them before frost and ripening them inside has been quite high, and last year&#039;s last fresh tomato was consumed in a salad around New Year&#039;s. 

Oh, and yes, I DO have a good green tomato relish recipe if anyone wants it! Works well as a pickle relish substitute making yummy tuna salad, potato salad, and a stellar homemade Thousand Island Dressing -- one of the easiest dressings to make EVER. It&#039;s just mayo, relish, and catsup in whatever proportions taste best to you. Adjust seasoning with salt and pepper and a little mustard if you like more bite, then enjoy!

Happy Gardening!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi! </p>
<p>We have had late ripening on the vine but plants have pumped out so many we&#8217;ve been giving them away by the box, bag, 1/2 bushel, and bushel. I am beginning to look on late blight as a friend since I am kinda sorta sick of the smell of cooking/canning tomatoes! <img src='http://www.smallkitchengarden.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Our plants are about 95% heirloom varieties, though, which I find has helped them. Yes, I know there is a school of thought that says the hybrids are more vigorous, disease-resistant and dependable than the heirlooms, but in nearly 20 years of growing tomatoes, I have to say I have found that to be another tomato myth. Don&#8217;t get me wrong &#8212; there are some good hybrids (Sungold leaps to mind!!), but overall in our experience, the majority of our heirloom choices have out-germinated, out-grown, out-produced, and out-survived disease, adverse weather conditions, something I&#8217;ve found to be true gardening in two different zones, first Zone 7 and now 5b.</p>
<p>The success rate for picking them before frost and ripening them inside has been quite high, and last year&#8217;s last fresh tomato was consumed in a salad around New Year&#8217;s. </p>
<p>Oh, and yes, I DO have a good green tomato relish recipe if anyone wants it! Works well as a pickle relish substitute making yummy tuna salad, potato salad, and a stellar homemade Thousand Island Dressing &#8212; one of the easiest dressings to make EVER. It&#8217;s just mayo, relish, and catsup in whatever proportions taste best to you. Adjust seasoning with salt and pepper and a little mustard if you like more bite, then enjoy!</p>
<p>Happy Gardening!</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 01:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid the answer depends very much on why your tomatoes went bad before the started to ripen. Did they develop brown lesions on the skin and then start to get soft? I posted photos of such tomatoes here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.smallkitchengarden.net/small-kitchen-garden/tomato-strife-in-small-kitchen-gardens-everywhere&quot;&gt;Tomato Strife in Small Kitchen Gardens Everywhere.&lt;/a&gt; If your tomatoes have late blight, you may simply be out of luck.

That&#039;s the worst scenario. A tomato - even one picked green - wants to ripen, and it can though it might not be as satisfying as a tomato that has at least started to show pink before you pick it. Still, the conventional wisdom is: wrap each tomato in a page from a newspaper and put many together in a paper bag. Fold over the bag and let it sit at room temperature. Unfortunately, you need to check the tomatoes every other day or so and remove ones that start to go bad. (Wrapping tomatoes individually in newspaper before putting them in a bag may reduce the spread of diseases - such as Late Blight - if there are any on any of the tomatoes.) Some people put ripe bananas in with their tomatoes because gas given off by the bananas promotes ripening. I&#039;ve had some success with bagging green tomatoes this way, but it&#039;s not a panacea.

After that, I&#039;d encourage you to look into ways to use green tomatoes in cooking. I&#039;m not a fan of fried green tomatoes, though some people rave about them. I do, however, like a good green tomato mincemeat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid the answer depends very much on why your tomatoes went bad before the started to ripen. Did they develop brown lesions on the skin and then start to get soft? I posted photos of such tomatoes here: <a href="http://www.smallkitchengarden.net/small-kitchen-garden/tomato-strife-in-small-kitchen-gardens-everywhere">Tomato Strife in Small Kitchen Gardens Everywhere.</a> If your tomatoes have late blight, you may simply be out of luck.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the worst scenario. A tomato &#8211; even one picked green &#8211; wants to ripen, and it can though it might not be as satisfying as a tomato that has at least started to show pink before you pick it. Still, the conventional wisdom is: wrap each tomato in a page from a newspaper and put many together in a paper bag. Fold over the bag and let it sit at room temperature. Unfortunately, you need to check the tomatoes every other day or so and remove ones that start to go bad. (Wrapping tomatoes individually in newspaper before putting them in a bag may reduce the spread of diseases &#8211; such as Late Blight &#8211; if there are any on any of the tomatoes.) Some people put ripe bananas in with their tomatoes because gas given off by the bananas promotes ripening. I&#8217;ve had some success with bagging green tomatoes this way, but it&#8217;s not a panacea.</p>
<p>After that, I&#8217;d encourage you to look into ways to use green tomatoes in cooking. I&#8217;m not a fan of fried green tomatoes, though some people rave about them. I do, however, like a good green tomato mincemeat.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came across this website as I race against the frost.  I have a tonne of tomatoes but have only had about 5 that went ripe (including the ones I picked when starting and that are sitting ripening inside right now).  
I tried picking some green, but they went bad before they started to ripen.  Any suggestions for ripening very green tomatoes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came across this website as I race against the frost.  I have a tonne of tomatoes but have only had about 5 that went ripe (including the ones I picked when starting and that are sitting ripening inside right now).<br />
I tried picking some green, but they went bad before they started to ripen.  Any suggestions for ripening very green tomatoes?</p>
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		<title>By: still at it &#171; Blog Archive &#171; Victory Garden Redux</title>
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		<dc:creator>still at it &#171; Blog Archive &#171; Victory Garden Redux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] do plan to take the advice I found earlier this summer over at a blog called Your Small Kitchen Garden and pull all the green [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] do plan to take the advice I found earlier this summer over at a blog called Your Small Kitchen Garden and pull all the green [...]</p>
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		<title>By: marcella</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 00:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read you can pull the whole plant with the tomatoes still on the vine (just before frost) and they will keep well and continue to ripen if kept in cool dry place. Has anyone tried this? I got a late start on planting and my tom are mostly still green. I don&#039;t want to loose them. Great info here. Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read you can pull the whole plant with the tomatoes still on the vine (just before frost) and they will keep well and continue to ripen if kept in cool dry place. Has anyone tried this? I got a late start on planting and my tom are mostly still green. I don&#8217;t want to loose them. Great info here. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Helen at Toronto Gardens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen at Toronto Gardens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm. Interesting post and comments. I&#039;ve picked unripe tomatoes at the end of season of necessity, but never considered doing it to avoid splitting and other issues. For those whose garden is just at their door, the still-sun-warmed tomato is an easy treat. For those like me who have a bit of a hike to reach the allotment, the idea of catch-as-catch-can is useful. If I get *any* tomatoes on my late-planted vines this year, it&#039;s likely they&#039;ll have to be ripened indoors. 

I, too, would be interested in the science behind the nutrient value of tomatoes, whether vine ripened or the tabletop technique.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm. Interesting post and comments. I&#8217;ve picked unripe tomatoes at the end of season of necessity, but never considered doing it to avoid splitting and other issues. For those whose garden is just at their door, the still-sun-warmed tomato is an easy treat. For those like me who have a bit of a hike to reach the allotment, the idea of catch-as-catch-can is useful. If I get *any* tomatoes on my late-planted vines this year, it&#8217;s likely they&#8217;ll have to be ripened indoors. </p>
<p>I, too, would be interested in the science behind the nutrient value of tomatoes, whether vine ripened or the tabletop technique.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 03:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My only experiences with green tomatoes are 1: Classic fried green... not compelling enough for me that I&#039;d bother with them. 2: Green tomato mincemeat. As mincemeat goes, this was fine. If you have any interest, I suspect I can dig up a recipe.

That said, if you come up with a green tomato relish (or other product) to die for, please let me know. I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll have green tomatoes this season, but I&#039;m hoping there&#039;ll be a few next seasons in which I might get some green ones</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My only experiences with green tomatoes are 1: Classic fried green&#8230; not compelling enough for me that I&#8217;d bother with them. 2: Green tomato mincemeat. As mincemeat goes, this was fine. If you have any interest, I suspect I can dig up a recipe.</p>
<p>That said, if you come up with a green tomato relish (or other product) to die for, please let me know. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll have green tomatoes this season, but I&#8217;m hoping there&#8217;ll be a few next seasons in which I might get some green ones</p>
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		<title>By: Kerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m racing with blight, hoping that some tomatoes will show some color so I can bring them in. I would be so delighted with pink tomatoes at this point - I may have to develop a taste for green tomatoes. Any recipes for green tomato relish?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m racing with blight, hoping that some tomatoes will show some color so I can bring them in. I would be so delighted with pink tomatoes at this point &#8211; I may have to develop a taste for green tomatoes. Any recipes for green tomato relish?</p>
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